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Lyle2000 · Sep 27, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

I am 3+ year on and off player of guildwars and new to these forums. But I have noticed an interesting trend here.

Why do so many people seam to hate players that use builds from PvXwiki?

I know the first answers I will get will range from "Only noobs use PvX" on the rude side to "Copying a build from the internet is not real skill" on the polite side. Knowing that here are my ideas on the subject.

I see there as being two options for newer players to choose a skill set. The first being build you own. The second being use one from PvX. I personaly think that PvX is a great thing. It lets newer players experience more success right away and teaches them about some of the well liked skills in the game. It also helps with groups, after all who would you rather have in your party Patty PvX build or Rick Random skill set? I personaly would prefer Patty.

I want to hear your opinions.

FYI - I use PvX and have become a much better player becuase of it

Tyla · Sep 27, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

PvX is a great source of builds that work. Most builds that are extremely good are on PvX too. If you have feelings against their efficiency, there is a talk page. (Although I heard the mods on there are pathetic)

You're also not kept to just that build. Variants, or you can simply run something different. It's nothing but a reference to use.

Concerning "copying builds isn't skill", the build doesn't determine players, their player skill does. Some builds are just bad, but some are multi-functional and require some sort of focus to actually get what you need out of them. You can't just expect to copy a build and automatically run it. You need to improve and will do so running the build through profession skill and that build itself.

komma · Sep 27, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

cookie cutter builds are from wiki....is the usual statement made by the anti-wiki. for whatever reasons. jealousy, others are running more successful builds. or the fact that the builds are widely used by a vast majority of the games population, so they want to be different.....even if you dont like using wiki builds, it is still a great source for build foundations for you to tweak on your own. hate it or love it, it is there for us all to take advantage of, so why not?

Lyle2000 · Sep 27, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Nice to see that I am not the only one that sees PvX as a a great tool for the community.

From what you see in many other threads that did not seam the case.

Cathode_Reborn · Sep 27, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Tyla

(Although I heard the mods on there are pathetic)

This is one of the things I have against pvx. The mods there are the worst. There seems to be some favoritism goin on around there too. Their build voting system is pure junk - a good build can get a bad rating cause some idiots thought it was bad. It can go the other way around too - bad builds getting good scores.

The entire website is a huge mess. Haven't really browsed the PvP section, but the PvE side has a massive pile of horrid builds. Even worse, are the build junkies that submit crap every other day so they can add to their list of contributed builds.

-Lotus- · Sep 27, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

many of the builds on PvX are terrible, most players that create builds there are terrible. and almost all of the ones that vote are even worse. there is no judgment of someone's intelligence or skill taken into their vote. builds here are pretty much always better.

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Originally Posted by Lyle2000

FYI - I use PvX and have become a much better player becuase of it

this is a lie.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Sep 27, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

many of the builds on PvX are terrible, most players that create builds there are terrible. and almost all of the ones that vote are even worse. there is no judgment of someone's intelligence or skill taken into their vote. builds here are pretty much always better.

this is a lie.

And you are a troll, PvXWiki has many useful builds and is a wonderful resource for new players, It is elitist asswipes like you that make it hard for them calling them idiots for using the generally bad builds they make or idiots for using PvXWiki if they are so bad you should be glad you "amazing" builds can beat there PvX Shit.

Rainbow Ftw · Sep 27, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

PvX is good for getting a grasp of good builds to use in certain areas, however the builds for Hero Battles are almost all incorrect and don't contain the best variants.

In regards to pvx community it's merely a bunch of elitists spreading memes amongst each other and flaming anyone new to the wiki, by all means check out the builds but I wouldn't recommend taking the builds there as "gospel truth" and I wouldn't recommend becoming a member of the wiki.

Unreal Havoc · Sep 27, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Places like PvX and Guru are both good places to get your feet wet. Both communities have their fair share of elitist assholes, it comes with the territory of online gaming.

BTW Hi Rainbow, long time no see!

Taisayacho · Sep 27, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

This is one of the things I have against pvx. The mods there are the worst. There seems to be some favoritism goin on around there too. Their build voting system is pure junk - a good build can get a bad rating cause some idiots thought it was bad. It can go the other way around too - bad builds getting good scores.

QFT. I'm pretty active on there, but I do notice that, for example, if the admins really like a build, they'll actually remove votes that are unfavorable.
example: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...ed_PvE_Paragon
Go to "rate," scroll to the bottom.

Itokaru · Sep 27, 2008, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Being able to make builds doesn't make you a good player, being skilled makes you a good player. People will try to say that wiki builds are for noobs, but they are also usually the ones that will offer to 1v1 as soon as you state otherwise. When someone is bothering me for using wiki, I just say:
"Just because you're unique does not mean you're useful"

Savio · Sep 27, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

PvXwiki is great if you have no clue what you're doing, which is why it's suggested to beginners. For those who have experience, PvXwiki is trash because the builds there aren't as good as they could be or are completely wrong. Whether or not PvXwiki is good depends on the context.

That aside, people who say that using already-made builds is bad are scrubs. And PvX, from its voting system to its community, sucks.

upier · Sep 27, 2008, 11:13 PM // 23:13

I don't PvP enough (or better yet - at a high enough level) to matter what I run.
So for me PvX is like the old Ursan - I know it's there, I don't have an issue with people running (visiting) it but it's not my thing to use it for more then a few curious moments.

I have my own instance so it's all good.

-Lotus- · Sep 27, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan

And you are a troll, PvXWiki has many useful builds and is a wonderful resource for new players, It is elitist asswipes like you that make it hard for them calling them idiots for using the generally bad builds they make or idiots for using PvXWiki if they are so bad you should be glad you "amazing" builds can beat there PvX Shit.

what?

yes, there are a few good builds on there, but im pretty sure thats blind luck, they have so many builds. there is no helpful or objective moderation and voting is almost random. my goldfish is eligible to vote on PvX.

Monk Gsb · Sep 28, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

pvx is bad, it was better when the original wiki had the "builds" section cause it was moderated better.

Spiritz · Sep 28, 2008, 10:26 AM // 10:26

It seems its not exactly the builds on pvxwiki ppl dislike but the way the actual site is run - thats just from the replies on here.

In general the site just for builds is good - i dont really bother lookin at ratings as i`ll view a build and decide for myself its flaws as well as think of ways to improve.Its good for getting you to think yourself about different builds and team setups as all its builds can be looked at examples.Its also good for chr setup so you can see what runes needed and where to use , i will always check guru and pvx for builds and if a similar build exists id check both.

Lotus - any site that caters for builds will always have good or bad builds , hell this forum can be compared and said to have good and bad builds on it as well as good/bad posts.And i also kno several guru members who are known on guru for builds and other faq`s also post builds on pvxwiki ( Rezdog and sab for example ).At the end of the day its upto the individual what their opinion is of a build/site and we only learn by gettin a build and tryin it ourselves.

ele pl · Sep 28, 2008, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Pvxwiki for me just destroyed Guild Wars... I know, it gives new players builds and so on... But as i said, Guild Wars is not the game as it was before pvxwiki. Now everybody on pvp/pve play wiki builds, no matter how bad are they, but they are rated. Pvxwiki created gimmicks and cuttie cooters. Look for example at HA/HB or RA. Every single person runs wiki build

Lyle2000 · Sep 28, 2008, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by ele pl

Pvxwiki for me just destroyed Guild Wars... I know, it gives new players builds and so on... But as i said, Guild Wars is not the game as it was before pvxwiki. Now everybody on pvp/pve play wiki builds, no matter how bad are they, but they are rated. Pvxwiki created gimmicks and cuttie cooters. Look for example at HA/HB or RA. Every single person runs wiki build

I don't see how this destroys Guild Wars. Sounds like it increased the base skill level. Maybe there are not as many clueless people to stomp into the ground, but I fail to see a negative impact. And if someone is a skilled player they should see all these "cuttie coote" as free wins, since they will be exprienced in how to defeat them. And if the Guild Wars PvP system is so fragil that a public builds are the key to winning then I do not think there would be very many peolpe still playing.

As it stands, I look forward to using wiki builds to learn more of the basics. As it stands I have already tweaked a couple wiki builds that had skills I never used.

White Lies · Sep 28, 2008, 12:54 PM // 12:54

I use PvX sometimes... Mostly cuz im to lazy to make new builds or when im stuck, and i need something that has been used for ages and ages before and im pretty sure it works. Even if it is cookie cutter.

Now shoot me guru.

~Lies

The Arching Healer · Sep 28, 2008, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by White Lies

Now shoot me guru.

~Lies

Pew pew pew, ur dead!